Episode #1026
Most guys stick to surface-level friendships, talking sports, work, or the usual weekend plans. But deep down, there’s a part of you that’s craving more. Real connection, honest conversation, and support from other men who actually get it.
In this episode, we’re recording from the TPM Ranch during the Legends Event with men who’ve done the inner work and keep showing up for each other. We talk about what it’s actually like to build friendships where you can drop the act, say what’s really going on, and not get judged for it. The guys share how these bonds didn’t just happen. They were built, rep by rep, by showing up even when it felt uncomfortable.
If you’ve ever thought, “I don’t have any men in my life I can talk to like this,” this one’s for you. We talk about what to do when you feel isolated, how to start small, and why just taking one small risk to connect could change everything.
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Transcription
Dave 0:00
There’s tremendous value in the lifting up of each other, right? Because you know that they’re doing the same for you. And I think that’s one of the greatest, greatest things about this program: it’s a societal change around how do we lift men up and make them, in a safe and in the best way possible, stronger, better leaders, better fathers, better husbands, better friends.
Doug Holt 0:24
Gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of the TPM Show. We are still at the TPM Ranch, still at the Legends event, still having a great time. It’s epic growth, epic adventure with epic men, and it just keeps continuing. And I got two such legends back on the couch here to have a conversation with us. And I love the topic, and I think you will too. Guys, just thanks for being here, man. Thanks for being here.
JT 0:59
Well, thanks, Doug.
Doug Holt 1:01
You’re my favorite people.
JT 1:01
Thanks for having appreciate that. Did you say that to the last four people, probably?
Dave 1:05
You’re my favorite. You’re my favorite.
Doug Holt 1:10
But I mean it, you know. Jokes aside, but of course, I know you guys will definitely have some laughs during this. Dave, you had a great topic that you wanted to throw on the table.
Dave 1:21
No, I just, I think what this event has highlighted for me is really the importance of being able to create bonds and continue bonds with other guys, right? Especially with guys that you can have conversations with that you might not otherwise have with your drinking buddies or your golf buddies, or, you know, the other people that are maybe in your local area around your house, right? So that really has meant a lot to me to be able to get to know these guys and have more meaningful conversations about things that really matter.
Doug Holt 1:57
I mean, the house right next to us we’re in the studio right now, which is detached from the house and we got 16 guys total here, 17 with Mr. C sitting over here at the control board. And the conversations that have been happening, and the joking and the laughter and the banter, has been amazing.
I really appreciated I was reflecting on this earlier today is when you came and assisted at The Alpha Reset, right? And then one of my favorite parts of that was going to the Metolious River, and you, Mark Smith, and I going for a walk, and just naturally having some conversations over some ciders, walking along, and just talking about life and whatever came up.
Here are some dreams I have, they’re kind of crazy. Here’s a business idea. Here’s something that’s happened with a girl I’m dating, or here’s something that’s happened with my wife, or whatever it is. The way those conversations flow naturally.
I always joke with people, and you guys let me know what you think. With men of your caliber, you’re at the top of the food chain. That sounds bad, but you’re at the top of the tree, if you will, in the world. You just are. You’re business leaders, you’re super smart guys. At the same time, I can walk into the room and there’ll be fart jokes going on, and then, literally, it’s like that and then it’s a deep subject, right?
And it can change on a dime when that deep subject is like a guy going, “Hey, one of my kids is suicidal,” or “I’m having a business problem,” or “I have a dream what do you guys think?” And that level of love and support that comes in with that group is awesome.
JT 3:36
We were just talking about we were just on the deck earlier, right before we walked in here and we went from talking about kids and relationships, and went right into talking with Honey Badger about consulting, and talking about all kinds of different facets of that.
And okay, what scares you about it? What excites you about it? What are the different facets of it, and how you might approach it? And I talked about some things I’ve thought about as far as consulting goes, and it’s just you’re exactly right, Doug it can go a lot of different directions.
And there’s always a little comedic relief mixed in, yep, which makes it fun for all of us. But for me, having that level of trust and being in line and in conversation and in The Brotherhood with other guys that are doing the work and are excited about growing and learning new things and getting out of the silo, I call it, and doing things like this getting away.
I mean, I came across the country for this, and it’s being able to unplug. And I mean, there’s been a few work things going on for all of us, I think, at one point or another today. But, you know, that’s all part of it too talking through those things that come up, and having that trust built, that you know it’s not going anywhere else. And you know everybody here has your best interest in mind and will give you honest feedback. Yep, that’s the key, and they’ll call you out.
Dave 5:23
I was going to speak to that too. I think people ask how and why, and I think it’s because everyone here is their authentic self, right? Like, you have people that have learned how to peel away the masks and peel away all the pretenses and just be able to talk for real, right?
And yet, to your point, have a fart joke and then be like, “Man, I heard about what happened with your family last week. How’s everything going?” You know. And people know that you care, even when the topic changes and the mood changes and all those things. It’s just great to know that people you know are being themselves when we’re all together.
Doug Holt 6:02
We’re human, right? We all have real things happening losses of family members, losses of relationships, kids going through things, or just personal demons that boil to the surface. And I think, you know, you guys have been through a crucible of sorts: going through The Activation Method, going through The Alpha Reset.
You guys have been to a ton of different events. I mean, you’ve been in the movement for years at this point. And I keep saying this, but what makes you guys legends to me isn’t just the work that you guys do. It’s the fact that you continue to look behind you and pull more men through and say, “Hey man, I got you.”
To me, that’s what a real legend is. That’s what mastery is. It’s easy to look above you, ahead of you, and go, “Okay, I see that guy. He’s got a little bit more this, that, the other, something I want, let me attach to him.” But what makes you guys legends to me in my own mind and my heart is the fact that both of you guys will look back and go, “Okay, let me make sure I’m also helping the guy behind me, making sure he’s okay.”
Dave 7:12
Somebody did that for us, back when we first started. Countless people would ask you questions. I remember one of the very first events that I went to, and one of the first questions was, you know, “How are people feeling?” And somebody said, “I kind of, I don’t feel like I belong.”
I remember that. And you said, “Who else here doesn’t feel like they belong?” And I raised my hand. And the guy right next to me, who happens to be here, is about 6’10”. He looked down on me and said, “You belong here.” And I was like, okay. If he says it, then it must be true.
Those sorts of moments where you realize it really is an open place for you to come in and be welcomed. So we need to pass that on too.
Speaker 1 8:02
And it’s doing the reps, right? I remember starting in The Activation Method, and I was like, “All right, I’m all in. I’m gonna do this. I’m gonna do it well, even though I’m scared to death, and peel back the onion.”
But I remember those first few calls, and they were I don’t want to say they were terrifying, they weren’t terrifying but I just didn’t know what to expect. I didn’t know what to expect coming up, what was bubbling up for me. I didn’t know how to journal. I didn’t know how to reflect and do all these different things.
Like, what are you talking about? Just because I wasn’t raised that way and not because somebody was hiding something from me. It’s just a generational thing that just didn’t happen. And it’s learning those tools and knowing that you’ve got a group in your corner that’s working on the same types of things and sharing different ideas on, hey, I really like this.
It could be yoga or breathwork, or journaling, or this book we’ve talked about how many different books today or a podcast, this one being at the top of the list.
Dave 9:19
Of course, absolutely.
Speaker 1 9:23
But it’s just all sharing those ideas is invaluable, and it’s exciting. And now that it’s been several years, you know, those bonds have done nothing but the roots have just grown deeper. And, you know, we’ve been in the trenches a while now, and things are going to come up. Life happens, and it’s nice to know that.
And I mean, Dave and several others are I know I can pick up the phone. I spend a lot of time in the vehicle, in the car, traveling for work and different things, and I’m not sending out emails for a Zoom call. I just pick up the phone, and sometimes I catch them, sometimes I don’t. Sometimes I’ll catch somebody, and it might be a 15-minute phone call, and it’s exactly what I needed at that point in the day or the week or the month that helps me through something, or something I’ve got on my mind, or something they’ve got on their mind.
And I’m happy to reciprocate too not just to talk, but to listen. And it’s exciting. It’s fun.
Doug Holt 10:36
You’ve always been great at that. I mean, I can speak as someone, you know, in the seat that I sit in, right? It’s a little bit different. But I remember the last time I was walking in The Ranch, I know exactly where I was, where I got a text from you just reaching out, checking in.
And it was some funny little thing, you know, but also like, “Hey, how are you?” you know? And I know you so well. I know it’s from the heart, but it was also just reaching out, right? And it’s the right thing, the right time. No coincidences in this game we call life. And it’s just a perfect thing to do.
And we were talking earlier about, you know, well, what do you guys think? So, women tend to bond really easily and really well at least that’s my perception of it. Or easier. For some women, it’s very difficult, right? There’s no doubt about that. Why is it important for guys to have those bonds?
Dave 11:27
You know, as we’ve gone through The Activation Method and The Brotherhood and learned a lot of the things that we’ve learned about being vulnerable and, you know, being open and authentic, I think there are still things that, as men, we don’t necessarily think we should share whether it might be something that might scare them unnecessarily, or whatever it might be.
And a lot of times, having a guy that you know you can talk to about that, that isn’t going to judge you, it isn’t going to change their perception of you, right? They’re just gonna validate like, “Man, that sounds really tough. What are you doing about it?” Right? Or, “How can I help?”
You know, those sorts of things that really make it easier like having relationships like that with people, like we do, where we certainly give each other enough crap about everything, you know. But we also know that when things are serious you know, we’ve had 911 calls where, you know, “This is going really, really sideways, and I’m freaking out. I need you to talk me off the ledge.” Not literally, but you know.
That’s just something so valuable that I haven’t really had in my life. And those are things that I may not necessarily want to share with my wife not that I don’t want to. You know, she’s probably gonna watch this. I want to share everything with you, honey, I promise. But you know, that’s reality. You need other people to talk to besides just our partners.
Doug Holt 12:58
I agree 100%. I think we look at the male-female differential, right? There’s something… so I grew up in Orange County, California, right? You guys all know where that is, but there are some nuances about Orange County that you’ll never understand because you never grew up there.
There’s some nuances about being a man, a lot of them, that women will never understand and we’ll never understand about women, right? Because they’ve never had to walk that walk or walk in those shoes.
You guys are both business leaders. You guys are both men. You know there’s a lot more commonalities than not, and you both have shown up consistently and done the work peeling back the layer, getting to know yourself, getting to know others, and doing the work that allows you to have those conversations.
We had a great at least for me, it was a great conversation in the truck about our relationships, right? With our partners and how that was going. And even myself, I don’t have those conversations as much. And when I put those out there, sometimes they’re not received, because people feel uncomfortable all of a sudden, right?
Speaker 1 14:03
I love that conversation. And it’s really exciting when you can I mean, I celebrate that for you and for me. But to be able to have that level of depth in a romantic relationship is amazing.
And another thing that I’ve really leaned into is, I call it my team, you know. And obviously my girlfriend is on my team. My kids are on my team. You know, some of the obvious things. And my parents are on my team well, my dad now. But you know, there’s other people in place there too that I have on that list, that short list that I think about.
And I have it right on my vision board at work. These are people that I know have my back, and I know I’ve got theirs. And we’ve been doing the dance for a while.
Doug Holt 15:11
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Speaker 1 16:04
If I’m just not feeling well, or have something pressing like you talked about the 911 call or just stressed out, or, even better, something you want to celebrate, celebrating a win. Absolutely celebrating the win.
Which is I mean, everybody rooting for each other is just a powerful thing. And the positivity builds a lot of momentum. And being around that energy that you want makes a big difference for the other people that might not be on your team, but you’re around every day whether it’s your coworkers, or people you’re seeing at the gym, or clients, or whatever it might be. It makes a difference.
Doug Holt 16:58
I think it does. I think it does. I think you touched on a really important point that we don’t talk about much.
And maybe we don’t do it because it’s just not my frame of reference anymore. But you and I were in the truck having a conversation you and I have had these types of conversations before where you asked, “Hey, like, how are you and Erin doing? My wife.”
I was like, “Dude, honestly, it is amazing.” You’re like, “I love that for you. How are you doing?” I go, “You know, we’re celebrating each other.” You’re like, “We’re doing so well, this is what’s going on.”
And it wasn’t from envy, right? And even if my marriage wasn’t doing well, I would still celebrate you, and vice versa. So it’s not envy. We might want something somebody has, like, “Oh, that’s cool. I want a little bit more of that.” But we always celebrate the guy, and it comes from a genuine place of happiness for everybody.
Now, you got 16 men 17 with Colton, I keep forgetting Colton’s here that are all celebrating each other, right? And then you multiply that out as you go out. But just within this event of the Legends, that’s something just so special that I don’t think many people have ever experienced.
Right? It’s usually conditional. Like, “Oh, you’re ahead of me. Oh, you’re doing well, and I’m not doing well in that area. Oh, I don’t like you now, or I’m envious or jealous.” And you never see that here. Ever.
Dave 18:18
I mean, I think societally, you have a lot of, you know, “I want to be better than you.” And as guys, we’re all competitive. We have all those things. You know, driving us the workout this morning, the workout this morning I was trying to beat a guy that was 20 years younger than me, and probably almost, you know, pulled a hamstring.
But anyway, we digress. But I think that there’s tremendous value in the lifting up of each other, right? Because you know that they’re doing the same for you. And I think that’s one of the greatest, greatest things about this program: it’s a societal change around, how do we lift men up and make them, in a safe and in the best way possible, make them stronger, make them better leaders, better fathers, better husbands, better friends.
Speaker 1 19:07
Especially just in the last 20 years or whatever, in the midst of the fire hose of information that gets just blown at us every day from every direction you know, having the genuine team, having the genuine relationships, having those people in your corner it’s invaluable. It’s invaluable.
Doug Holt 19:38
It is, and to the point of this episode having men, right? I think a lot of guys have had experiences with other men, whether it be when they were younger or at our age, that put them back and created a story where, “Hey, guys aren’t safe,” right?
If I share this with a guy, he’s going to put me down, take advantage of me, discount me, lie to me, cheat with me. You know, I hear these stories all the time, as you can imagine. And then to realize, oh, it doesn’t have to be that way. And then experience it. It’s easy to hear it, right? Hearing it’s one thing. But when you actually experience, like Dave said to you in Cuba, “You belong here,” absolutely and you believe him, like he said it.
JT 20:31
Well, and it’s doing the reps, right? It’s doing the reps. It’s doing the reps. You know, when Dave said it to you, immediately you probably still had a little doubt there. But after a couple days went by, and now a couple years have gone by, you know, I’m certainly hopeful that we all feel a little bit better about all that. Absolutely.
And in building these bonds I mean, relationships are what it’s all about.
Dave 21:00
It’s interesting, like, as guys have come to this and I’ve done some research on this too with some things that I’m doing all men want to have relationships with other guys. And we all have the same fears, right?
And it’s, you know, “What happened? What could happen? What’s the worst case?” Instead of like, “What could I really positively get out of having a meaningful relationship with somebody, and being able to actually say what’s on my mind, and be authentic, and not be judged?” Right? Which is the biggest thing, yes, for me, and I’m sure for most guys, is that judgment piece.
Doug Holt 21:36
What we talked about so we said we didn’t talk about attention, but I asked everybody. I had all you guys sit on the couch, right? And I asked everybody, “What do you want to get out of this?” And I asked everybody through the app as well, “What do you want to get out of this?”
And almost everybody had the same thing: let’s have fun, get to know everybody. But then everybody started getting a little more real. I don’t know if you guys sensed that. It started to get a little bit more real.
And a lot of people had that, “Hey, I used to have this apprehension around sharing parts of me, because I could get rejected. I could get, ‘What are they going to think about me? Oh my gosh, what I’m thinking is so silly.'”
You know, it’s crazy. And we’re all crazy in the best way. I don’t want to hang out with anybody who’s not a little crazy, right? I really don’t. I don’t have time for that boring.
And so when you realize that you’re able to share your dreams and aspirations, your goals and your hardships with men around there, that is where the real fruit is within the whole relationship.
So what would you say to I see both you guys this: a guy listening to this like, “This sounds great, but in my area, there’s no guys like this. Or I don’t know anybody that could have a conversation like this. Or I can’t do this because dot, dot, dot.”
Dave 22:53
Well, number one, I would say get online and go to thepowerfulman.com and at least start having some conversations, right, to find out. But there are groups. There are men’s groups in lots of different places.
You know, there’s a void of social opportunities for guys to get together, and the level of loneliness for men is increasing. It’s not decreasing, right? So it’s getting harder and harder for guys to have those conversations.
And the reality is, more people out there are pulling for you and want good for you than the alternative. And knowing that, and reaching out maybe you can’t join The Powerful Man right now but you know, there are other resources available to you to get out there and at least take a risk, take a chance.
And maybe you find somebody that you can just sit and have a coffee with, you know, and talk about a few different things, and maybe something grows from there. You just never know until you try.
Speaker 1 23:53
I think I even take it a little bit more granular, and I agree with all that that’s really good but just taking the…
Doug Holt 24:02
I was gonna say, don’t do it.
Speaker 1 24:08
And just in your day-to-day, you know, take those little risks that you know, in sharing just a little something with somebody. Try it on. And it doesn’t have to be your deepest, darkest secrets and fears, but just try it on and truly have the awareness around it.
Okay, I shared this with Doug today. And what happened? How did he receive it? How did I feel afterwards? And it sounds a little hokey might sound like I’m in a psychotherapy session, which maybe we are but it’s, you know, just try that on and take those little baby steps.
When I started The Activation Method, I was shut down. I mean shut down. And it was a little better after the first week, and a little better after the second week. And now it’s five years later, and the world is a different place.
And it’s just that slow opening and just taking little risks along the way, but being cognizant and being aware of it, and just keep going. Because, you know, I’ve always found when you give something to someone especially when it’s a feeling, or something that’s valuable to you and your heart a lot of times you’re going to get something back.
And if you open that up a little bit with somebody, they might be hurting too. And then you get into something with somebody that really makes a difference for both of you. And that’s a beautiful thing.
Doug Holt 26:18
It is. It’s got depth. I love it. I mean, both your ideas are fantastic. And I said this on the last episode as well, it doesn’t have to be TPM. I say that all the time because I don’t want to sound self-serving.
You know that we have there’s a free application, a way to get into the app. I know you guys love the app. There’s a free way to get into there. But one of the reasons we went with the app that we went with is it’s got a way to locate people near you, right?
And that was one of the, “Hey, how do we find men near me?” With free ways for guys to get into the app, there are communities in there that are absolutely free, no charge. But I will say it’s kind of like playing pickup basketball versus being on a basketball team.
There’s just more commitment at certain levels of investment investment in time, investment in money and capital. People are more committed at higher levels. But there’s also free Facebook groups. There’s Meetup, meetup.com. There are ways to find your community.
And, which is funny, because it’s kind of one of the reasons Tim and I connected, gosh, over eight years ago. It was, we were finding mutual interests, and we didn’t meet for a while like it was a year or two before we actually met in person. And then you could build those bonds.
So it doesn’t the whole idea, like, “Ah, well, there’s no one near me.” That could be true, but that’s not an excuse in this day and age with technology the way it is. I mean, all three of us live in different parts of the United States, where it’s not like we’re blocks away from each other, down the street for barbecues, right?
The connection’s always there. I see you guys. I feel like I saw you a couple days ago, right? Pick up for me at least pick up right where we left off. And you know, you catch up and you do things. It’s just that level of bond.
To a man listening to this right now, that is available to you. But you have to take action. You can’t sit on your couch cracking a beer, watching TV, waiting for that person to walk through your door.
JT 28:23
You know, I think about I hate to keep going back to pre-Activation Method but it’s real. And that was literally, like, four and a half, not even five years ago, not even five years ago.
And I have a lot of old, great friends, like relationships that I’ve had a long time. But I mean, and some of the guys even here, I knew, but I didn’t know real well. You know, I obviously didn’t know him right the first day I started, sure, in this group. But you know, some that are even here, I’ve just gotten to know a lot better over the last year.
So this isn’t something we’re not old high school buddies that have been doing this for 25 years. This is, in the big scheme of things, it’s all new. Yes. But to your point, the depth is the depth is something that I’m truly grateful for.
Dave 29:27
I think the pre-Activation Method versions of us is what the lion’s share of your podcast listeners and viewers are probably where they are, right? Where they’re feeling like there’s something missing, whether it’s in their marriage or just in general in their life.
And we all had to take a leap. For me, it was hearing your voice in an ad where it was, “You can save your marriage without talking about it.” For me, that was like, okay, because talking about it is absolutely at the bottom of the list of things I want to do. But that sounds really good.
And you know, reaching out online to a completely random website, you know, I took just a huge risk. And for me at the time, that was a really big risk. And now, four years later, I have the deepest, most meaningful relationships that I’ve ever had.
I also have really good, long-term friends, right? But a lot of times those friendships are, we’re hanging out for beers, we’re playing some golf, and that’s great. Everybody should have those friends. But you know, I want to level up in my life, and having friends like JT and the guys that are here helps me to do that, right? And that was just by reaching out and being vulnerable and sharing a little bit about what I’m dealing with, and them kind of helping push me along to do more and do better.
Doug Holt 30:56
You can’t take everybody with you, you know, and not everybody wants to go anyway, right? You know, I’ve got a friend who I’ve known since kindergarten. We’re as close as you can possibly be, right? He’s done The Activation Method, and he’s like, “Man, I want to go with you to Cuba,” or, “I want to go with you to Breckenridge or Napa.”
I’m like, dude, come along. Come along and join this group. Well, I just was with him because I came down to see my mom before she passed away. And I’m like, “Man, you got to get involved. This is a great group of guys.” And his wife was with me. She looks at me and goes, “He has a hall pass anytime.” You know, like the women want him to come, to come to The Ranch, come to the events, and get involved.
And there’s some trepidation there. There’s some trepidation. And I think a lot of men listening to this like, right? I call it like Doug 1.0 have that trepidation, like, “Will they reject me?” And then they start making up excuses: “Well, you know, these guys have done it for five years. They’ve known each other well.”
To JT’s point, you know, you’ve been involved in the movement for five years, but you haven’t known all these guys. Mike D for almost everybody, I’ve known him for 15 minutes.
Doug Holt 32:13
15 minutes, right? Exactly.
Dave 32:14
But he’s been in the program for 10 years seven years, seven years.
Doug Holt 32:19
And he took a hiatus from being in the community itself. And I think you’ll find you guys know this as well as I do by the end of this experience (we’re on day one), by the end of this experience you guys will know Mike D very well and feel close.
It’s because when you surround yourself with men going in a similar direction, who are open, receptive to it, and you’re working towards a commonality, you build those bonds. And with that comes trust, right? You get your reps in with each other caring, and you realize, wow, this guy actually cares. And they stick around.
It’s just amazing. Both you guys have just gigantic hearts. It’s just so awesome to see. I’ve been able to walk alongside and see version 1.0, version 2.0, and version 3.0 of you guys. I just want to give you guys a compliment of continually doing the work.
It’s very easy to think you’ve arrived, right? Very easy to think you’ve arrived. And that’s teenager syndrome, right? A teenager thinks they’ve done all the work. A teenager thinks they know better. A teenager thinks they know everything, they got it all figured out. And that’s the most dangerous thing in business, in your life to be in.
And yet you guys keep showing up to do the reps and keep working, and not many people do. So thank you guys for being lighthouses, as we say, and shining brightly so other people can see how the work can be done and also for cracking funny jokes. I’ve laughed more in this last 24 hours than I have in a while, so it’s been a lot of fun. I really appreciate both you guys. Thank you.
Speaker 1 33:50
Thank you, Doug. This is keep up the good work. This is important.
Doug Holt 33:56
And thank you to Coltyn.
Dave 33:57
And Coltyn. Thanks, Coltyn. You’re the best, Coltyn.
Doug Holt 34:01
Make us look good, Coltyn. Done. Come on.
Perfect. Gentlemen, I always say, in the moment of insight, take massive action. Here you have two guys that didn’t know each other before. And a lot of times, as men, we feel like we’re isolated or on an island, right? It’s easy to feel that way. And it happens to men all the time.
We go into our cave and we think, “Oh, I’m not going to call this person or that person. There’s just nobody in my area.”
Well, this is my call out to you to take action whether it be calling some buddies, whether it be going online to the community, whether it be going to the app, whether it be getting on a call with one of our advisors to see if The Powerful Man’s right for you.
Whatever that may be, do something. Guys, this is your sign. If you’ve been waiting for a sign, been waiting for the coach to put you in the field to play, this is your time. Take some action. It’s not as scary as you think. Well, it’s as scary, but it’s not as bad as you think.
On the other end at least with TPM you’re going to find a lot of receptive men, very smart men, very accomplished men, but very open and loving guys who love their families, love their communities, and love what we’re doing by getting better together.
So just do something and make the world a better place. You deserve more than average. It doesn’t have to be the way it is right now. See you next time on The Powerful Man Show.